10/23/2003 2:51:55 PM
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seeker
If you are an American I'm sure that
there is a way to sue. "Duty of Care"
and all that. Especially if it is known
to cause cancer, I think these things
are almost sexual assault... Negligence
anyway.
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10/23/2003 5:43:30 PM
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I was under the impression that the
HPV types that cause warts are NOT the
ones that cause cervical cancer. I
think suing is going overboard though
IMO. Get on with your life, if I'm
right and it's just the kind that
causes warts then they will go away in
time anyway. Let's start suing people
for passing pneumonia next...
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10/23/2003 5:59:36 PM
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seeker
You haven't read the thread properly,
nowhere does the poster say that they
had visible warts. I am guessing they
had their HPV typed and it's #16 or
something. Anyways, if you can prove
that the person who gave it to you knew
they had it and didn't inform you, then
they've done something unethical,
possibly illegal. Doctors have to tell
patients the risks involved with
treatments, they call it "informed
consent". Go ahead and seek legal
advice.
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10/23/2003 6:04:26 PM
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seeker
In toronto, the board of health was
charging people for breaking SARS
quarantines. There's some precedent
there, don't be facetious. HPV 16
causes cervical cancer 1 in 70 cases.
SARS killed one in 114. : (
I'd say there's injury involved.
BTW, pneumonia is not a communicable
disease, smartass...unless it's
atypical pneumonia aka SARS.
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10/23/2003 6:05:00 PM
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She said the kind that causes warts
and the kind that causes cancer.
Which one is it?? Both?? I kinda
find that hard to believe.
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10/23/2003 6:13:04 PM
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Sorry, not trying to be a jerk and I'm
truly sorry for this person, it's not
fun and we are all there. But the
statement, "If you are an American I'm
sure that there is a way to sue", just
rubs me the wrong way. Suing does not
fix problems and I hate the way people
turn to suing to fix things, this
isn't a rape case or something. Even
if i knew who gave me this I still
wouldn't see a point in suing.
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10/23/2003 6:26:53 PM
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seeker
I think people who intentionally infect
other people deserve to get some kind
of ethical backlash. I got mine through
someone else's gross mismanagement of
their own health. I was oblivious to
these risks. Too bad for me.
Americans can successfully sue for all
kinds of injury (Classic case, hot
coffee burning someone's lap, awarded
cash). So why not? I would if I could.
We shouldn't just go around including
people in the HPV club.
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10/23/2003 6:37:37 PM
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Intentionally infect?? Careless..yes,
but I wouldn't call it intentional.
And I'm sorry, your coffee case is a
prime example of why our country is
going down the drain..frivolous
lawsuits. I wasn't responsible enough
to really know someone before I had
sex with them so lets start
suing...good...greed is good. Sad,
really sad.
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10/23/2003 6:40:44 PM
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seeker
You're emphasizing the greed side, I'm
emphasizing the punitive side to an
injurious act. I'm not going to bother
explaining the logic behind my argument
any further. There is no real justice
in the world anyway.
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10/23/2003 6:41:52 PM
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And I never said that spreading HPV is
good or ethical or anything but to me
suing is just as wrong when you were
the one who was careless in not
knowing who you were really sleeping
with. I was careless, I trusted that
the person I was sleeping with was
clean...they weren't...my fault
whether they knew or not..I'm not
trying to put my careless on someone
else via a lawsuit.
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10/23/2003 6:44:38 PM
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ee
I wrote the original message. I have 2
different knids of HPV. The kind that
causes warts and the kind that can
cause cervical cancer. My Doctor sayd
that it is very common to contract more
than one strain from the same person.
My point more than anything, is that I
think people who don't reveal their
condition should face some
consequence. I understand there is
probably nothing I can do, I just feel
very violated.
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10/23/2003 6:48:30 PM
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ee
I don't feel I was being careless
either. I knew this person for over
six months before I slept with them.
That's what makes it so hard to take.
I feel like I was being cautious and I
certainly don't consider myself
irresponsible.
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10/23/2003 6:48:36 PM
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seeker
well apparently they knew, they knowing
passed it on... Tough to prove but
extremely unethical anyway.
Well, we really rely on other people to
protect us, that's the nature of
society... unfortunately, there are
people in the world who would cause
injury to other people for their own
gains... That's what laws are in place
to prevent. It boils down to who can we
really trust? No one? Everyone? Sucks,
doesn't it?
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10/23/2003 6:49:04 PM
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I'm sure you can do something like
Seeker said. I don't agree with it
but if someone can bring up a lawsuit
for being an idiot and spilling coffee
on themselves then you can certainly
bring one up for this. Lawsuits
aside, I'm sorry to hear your story
there are many others on this site too
so you got support here if you need
it. Best of luck to you.
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10/23/2003 6:50:36 PM
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seeker
it would be better if there was some
kind of a legal side to it to prevent
people from going around knowingly
infecting others, but we aren't there
yet.
But as far as proving the person
knowingly infected you, there may be
medical records etc. Find justice for
yourself, I guess. I'm pretty lost in
this universe.
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10/23/2003 6:51:34 PM
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seeker
Anon is right in a way. But I wish we
could stop people from acting
unethically.
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10/23/2003 6:53:18 PM
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seeker
The US has more probs than lawsuits
these days, I hope you guys can sort it
out because your country has a huge
role to play in the future of the
planet!!! This isn't the forum for that
kind of thing tho.
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10/23/2003 6:56:04 PM
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You know what it is for me, if I had
the time and effort and money to hire
a lawyer and go to court and deal with
all that stuff, I'd rather put that
effort into donating $1000 or so to an
organization that contributes to the
vaccines or something...focus on
something that will help us all
instead of fixing my broken past
that's all. I kinda feel that people
will get their just desserts without
lawsuits. We'll beat this it's just
gonna take time.
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10/23/2003 6:56:56 PM
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Tell me about the US these days,
Seeker, it's bad and our country has
many problem...but you're right...well
beyond this board.
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10/23/2003 7:05:02 PM
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seeker
Since we brought types of HPV (more on
topic), are you a male and have you had
your stuff typed? I know HPV types
often co-exist, but I'd still like to
know what I have... I'm having a hard
time trying to get MDs to listen to me.
They see little bumps and say "oh,
that's not HPV". YEah right! I had sex
with a person who later advised me they
were positive, bumps start showing and
I'm supposed to buy that? Damn. What
does one do? They seem kinda ignorant
in canada!
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10/23/2003 7:43:18 PM
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The ignorance isn't just in Canada, my
doctor said, don't worry about, that's
definitely not HPV...basically
brushing me off. I went back when
they were larger and she couldn't
ignore them and said it was HPV. But
no, I wasn't typed, to try to get her
to do that would be impossible.
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10/23/2003 7:44:32 PM
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Also, I'm concerned about this
multiple type thing...could I have
more than just the one type of visible
warts?? I thought at least before if
I met someone I could say, "yeah
they'r unsightly but at least the type
I have isn't harmful". Now with
multiple types I'm not so sure.
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10/23/2003 7:52:05 PM
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seeker
Yeah, I know... grim stuff. You also
don't know if any of the vaccines will
help. I was told to go to a
dermatologist by the director of
rrpwebsite.org but I've been really
busy. You're rigth about getting back
into shape. the events of the past 3
years have been trying and I'm
physically a mess now. Maybe they'll
clear up if I get my sh!t together...
Who knows.
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10/23/2003 7:54:58 PM
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seeker
The best thing would be custom made
vaccines, then it wouldn't matter what
type we have. Unlikely to see that for
a long time tho. Supposedly that
technology is more commonly used in
Latin countries, so maybe I should
learn spanish and search the web some
more : S
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10/23/2003 9:14:06 PM
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But if they made a legit vaccine,
wouldn't it make sense to make one
that cures all the types?? That would
be so much bigger of a market from a
money perspective. I assume that doing
it for every protein type would be the
same but I could be wrong, I dont'
know.
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10/24/2003 11:18:41 AM
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seeker
I can't speculate on that, the science
is beyond me. If you review the info on
the web re: vaccines and hpv you may
find the answers for yourself...
The main problem as I see it the the
sheer number of HPV virus types that
exist... over 100, by some accounts.
The most "multivalent" treatments so
far only protect against 5-6 max... : (
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10/24/2003 9:59:58 PM
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Hmmm, I was under the assumption that
if they could do one then they could
do all and put all the ones they could
muster into one vaccine. So basically
unless I have the type that brings on
cervical cancer I should forget about
any vaccine just for warts.
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