12/27/2004 9:52:46 AM
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hpv has to do with warts and genital
herpes has to do with little sores
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12/27/2004 5:03:41 PM
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Yea Herpes is FOREVER...you dont want
that . That lives in your spinal
nerves...reactivates constantly.
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12/27/2004 6:53:34 PM
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herpes and hpv are both viruses, but
they cause diff. things. herpes causes
little open sores and is a life long
disease that can be managed. hpv makes
microcellular changes not usu seen by
the naked eye and can also cause
genital warts. this is a big debate
over whether hpv is a lifelong disease
or not since the human immune system
cant actually clear any viruses, but it
can suppress them.
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12/27/2004 7:13:29 PM
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Hpv is not a systemic disease like
herpes is. If you get herpes you
better be well insured. You have a
lifelong medication bill in the
thousands. HPV never comes back once
your immune system kicks in.
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12/27/2004 9:30:22 PM
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No...the above concept is wrong
Hpv is also a lifelong disease. You
need a lifelong treatment, TCA,
aldara. because human immune system
never actually clear hpv viruses.
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12/28/2004 10:36:43 AM
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Above poster = Wrong
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12/29/2004 5:29:13 AM
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well funny how hpv "never comes back"
and yet it has come back in me AND my
husband mulitple times as well as
several women in my support group that
have to deal with recurrant outbreaks.
look, fact is, in SOME ppl, it will
clear and never have another problem,
while in others, it wont. but the fact
still remains that as far as the
medical community is concerned, NO
virus is ever cleared from your system
so they are ALL technically lifelong
diseases.
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12/29/2004 5:29:54 AM
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cont from above, you just may get lucky
enough not to have to deal with
constant outbreaks but dont be foolish
enough to think no outbreak equals no
virus.
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12/29/2004 8:12:34 AM
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A responsible doctor will tell you "
you can be no outbreak in short
period, but you still have hpv because
hpv cannot be cleared once you have...
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12/29/2004 10:09:14 AM
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"hpv cannot be cleared once you have"
That is a very bold statement just
like saying no Virus is ever cleared
from you system? Do you know how the
immune system works? do you know what
marcophages are lock and key
mechanism? Binding sites on cell
surfaces? Helper T-cells? All part
of your bodies mechanism to clear
forigen objects...do go spreading
blanketed statements
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12/29/2004 10:11:56 AM
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Most R&D companies (Merck) can tell
you more about HPV than a doctor
can...yes they have clinical data
however they are not manufacturing and
designing Mab vaccines
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12/29/2004 10:20:52 AM
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Fact is if your partner has active
virus he can keep reinfecting you, so
you can still keep battling
reoccurances until one builds up an
immunity. Man if my husband brought
this home i would send him packing.
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12/29/2004 5:03:02 PM
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actually yes i do know how the immune
system works. ya know i can always
tell your posts b/c you think you are
impressing ppl by throwing a few
medical terms in like IgG antibodies
and macrophages, sorry, but that dont
impress me much. i can go look up
terms to put in my posts too so i will
sound REALLY smart like i know what i
am talking about, but i think it is
pointless since it doesnt help anyone
b/c MOST ppl on this board DONT know
the terms.
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12/29/2004 5:16:42 PM
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"Antibodies, especially those called
IgG antibodies, are manufactured by the
body for a very long time after
exposure to HPV. Gradually, over
decades they may lessen in amount to
undetectable levels, but they may also
increase with each repeat exposure. The
antibodies indicate exposure in the
past to HPV and since the virus
particles can stay forever in tissue,
it very likely means there are some
virus cells of that type still present
in the body somewhere."
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12/29/2004 5:17:20 PM
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cont from above
"When a breakout of genital warts
occurs, a woman cannot always assume
that she contracted the virus from her
current partner although that is the
most likely event. The virus can have
been dormant for many years. We
occasionally see elderly widows who
have not had sexual intercourse for
many years have a breakout of genital
warts on the vulva or even showing up
on Pap smears. Once you have been
exposed to the virus, it is harbored in
your body forever."
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12/29/2004 5:18:11 PM
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cont from above
"This is true of almost all viruses
such as herpes (HSV), chickenpox
(herpes zoster) and many others." all
these quotes came off of this site.
http://www.wdxcyber.com/nvulva.htm
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12/29/2004 5:21:37 PM
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cont from above
sorry, i forgot to add this quote too,
it is from the same site as
well. "There is no medical treatment
for HPV. The only treatment is to
remove cells in which the virus has
caused some visible changes. The virus
lies dormant in many cells, however, so
there no way to totally rid the body of
the virus or at least to be sure that
you have excised all affected cells."
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12/29/2004 10:49:54 PM
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so, if your titer or IgG antibody level
stays above a certain level (like
10mg/L or whatever) more than likely
you won't have reccurances do to
increased titer...however, this doesn't
mean your body can't erdicate it.
First, it has the benefit of HPV being
a local virus not systemic...therefore
much easier for your immune system to
pinpoint. Again it lies in your
epidermal layer...meaning if you
lasered or burn off that layer then...
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12/29/2004 10:54:47 PM
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...you would not have HPV. I know the
argument is you don't know, but I am
saying it is possible. We are talking
about the epidermal layer of the
skin...not even the dermas. Get rid of
the epidermal layer and no hpv
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12/30/2004 7:51:34 AM
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but the problem is they CANT pinpoint
everywhere in your epidermis that the
virus is since MOST infections cause
microcellular changes and/or lie
dormant. what are you gonna do? cut
off ALL of your genitalia so that you
no longer have hpv? if not, then you
still have the virus.
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12/30/2004 8:25:08 AM
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hey I just said that in the above
poster. What I am saying is sometimes
the treatment you get (laser, freezing)
can potential eradicate the virus?
Would you not agree? Cut off you
gentialia, Great Idea! Not at all.
So, would you not agree that it is
possible to eradicate HPV (it is a
simple question Yes or no)?
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12/30/2004 6:34:30 PM
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i do not believe it is possible to
completely eradicate the virus, i do
however think it is possible to
suppress it to such low numbers that it
doesnt affect you, but that doesnt mean
it is gone. plus, if the virus is
lying dormant then your immune system
isnt "seeing" it (for lack of a better
word) so it isnt being fought off and
it can flare up from dormancy and cause
problems, at which point it illicits an
immune response.
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12/31/2004 5:04:08 PM
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cont from above
oh yeah, and b.t.w., i actually have
had about half of my genitalia cut off
for hpv related cancer of the vulva, so
yeah, i know its no fun, but neither is
cancer! thats why i am so active on
this board. i know how it has affected
me and i dont want anyone else being
misinformed and having to go thru crap
like i have.
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1/3/2005 9:59:40 AM
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how is it not possible? if it is only
in epidermal layer? if you happen to
cut out the epidermal layer where is
hpv going to live? I am not saying
this happens alot I am saying WHY is
this not possible?
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1/3/2005 10:02:29 AM
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yes but not all cases are like
yours...100's of HPV strains, so
possible different combinations,
autoimmune diseases that you may not
even know you have lots of people come
in contact
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1/3/2005 7:07:25 PM
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b/c hpv can be lying in MANY epidermal
cells and unless you happen to remove
ALL of these cells, which isnt likely,
then chances are it is still lying in
the tissue somewhere. i am not saying
it still affects you or anything, i am
simply stating that the virus itself is
still there.
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1/3/2005 7:09:27 PM
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man you have to be really thick or
something. i KNOW not all cases are
like mine, i simply said that if
perhaps i would have been informed of
the possiblities, then MAYBE it would
have never reached a cancerous stage in
me b/c i would have treated it more
aggressively, hence the reason i try to
inform others of the POSSIBILITIES.
not guaranteed, but possibility.
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1/3/2005 10:51:21 PM
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amazing...you still don't get IT!!
Congrats!!
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1/3/2005 11:01:03 PM
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IF you remove the epidmeral layer the
virus is gone, and YOU SAID "...unless
you happen to remove all of these
cells, which isn't likely then chances
are it is still lying in the tissue
somewhere"???? HEllo if you remove
all cells w/ hpv are you not removing
the viurs. Your argument doesn't make
sense. I am not saying you should not
inform people, I don't get your logic
about the virus.
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1/3/2005 11:01:54 PM
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So, if anyone is being THICK it is you
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1/4/2005 1:11:33 AM
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Crystal
Its very sad How many doctors now
adays are telling people that you can
get rid of hpv. HPV HAS NO CURE YET.
You may not always have a outbreak but
you can give it to others. PERSONALY I
have both high and low hpv strains. I
always have at least one wart present.
Nothing the doctors can give you will
rid you of hpv forever. Just like
herpes it is a std thats forever!
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1/4/2005 3:54:49 AM
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thank you crystal, i appreciate your
support on this subject, most ppl are
misinformed arent they?
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1/4/2005 9:18:22 AM
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IF your comparing HPV to Herpes, your
making a HUGE mistake!!
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1/4/2005 9:19:03 AM
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Your Immune system is your best cure
for HPV
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1/4/2005 9:57:05 AM
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my point is you CANT remove ALL cells
with hpv b/c unless it is causing
visible changes, and even if it is
causing visible changes, hpv is not
just where you can see it. you dont
know every single cell it is located
in. the virus is highly contagious and
spreads very easily meaning it can be
essentially located in all of your
genital tissue and i seriously doubt
you are gonna chop off or remove ALL of
your genital tissue, hence the virus is
still in the skin.
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1/4/2005 10:04:29 AM
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for example. say you get infected with
a low risk and a high risk and after a
month or two you have a little crop of
low risk warts spring up. you go to
the doctor, he treats the warts, and
they go away. GREAT! that means no more
hpv is in THAT tissue, only in the
tissue that he treated though, so the
tissue surrounding it can still have
the hpv virus present, even if you cant
see it; which is EXTREMELY common in
high risk. does this explain it better?
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1/4/2005 10:55:03 AM
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look if people stopped screwing around
this would not be an issue..a lot of
cheating husbands out there...
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1/4/2005 11:33:37 AM
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HPV dormant for many years?hahaha yeah
ok
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1/4/2005 12:59:38 PM
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"so the tissue surrounding it CAN
still have the hpv virus present.."
Yeah you just said it...CAN doesn't
mean it WILL!! You are saying that
virus MAY have the virus in the
surround tissue...fact is YOU DON'T
KNOW therefore YOU are ASSUMING IT
DOES. I on the other hand am not
assuming anything...you are saying
100% the virus would be present.
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1/4/2005 1:04:34 PM
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I also had a doctor say that it is not
so much the HPV itself, it is actually
more of an issue of the immune system
related to HPV. THere are autoimmune
disorders that are never realized in
many people, and this allows hpv to
propagate well in these individuals.
A persistant HPV infection is an
indictation of this. Not to mention
people need establish some moral
values when it comes to all this
cheating
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1/8/2005 3:53:51 AM
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Salyx
STOP IT!!!
For crying out loud, this person simply
asked the differences between HVP and HSV.
I would type them out for you, hon, bu
the form hates my computer and jumps too
much for me to focus. Try Planned
Parenthood's website.
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1/20/2005 11:51:46 PM
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Both are viruses which may lay dormit
or be activated at any lengths of time
depending on the person, the strain,
the immune system, etc. The
difference is one causes warty like
symptons and one is more blistery
like. However, herpes symptons can be
confused for ingrown hairs, pimples,
or razor burn - there not always
blister like.
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